#Left 4 dead 2 forum Pc#

However, GameZone makes no mention of competitions and only mentioned Confogl in a direct quote from the primary source, l4d blog. Is this not sufficient now? ZeroShadows ( talk) 05:07, 29 January 2016 (UTC) The only reliable secondary source you added was GameZone, in support of the sentence about Confogl and the official mutation set. Can you find ANY secondary coverage? - ferret ( talk) 03:12, 29 January 2016 (UTC) ferret Okay, I have six sentences and 14 citations with secondary sources. ZeroShadows ( talk) 02:02, 29 January 2016 (UTC) Honestly? Even with primary sources to at least verify it, the lack of any secondary sources suggests this simply isn't notable as a long term inclusion in the article. ferret ( talk) 01:05, 29 January 2016 (UTC) ferret My question, then again, is would you consider YouTube videos of the tournaments as acceptable citations? Also, I've moved the first paragraph into the article, as you've not objected. It's not common knowledge to the readership of Wikipedia. Would YouTube videos of the tournaments be acceptable? Or do I even need to cite anything as this is common knowledge among the competitive community? ZeroShadows ( talk) 00:31, 29 January 2016 (UTC) Regarding that last bit, everything must be cited. I'm not sure what to cite for the last paragraph, as these tournaments exist but I cannot find anything except on user forums and in Steam groups. ferret ( talk) ferret and AdrianGamer I've updated my proposed changes below and have cited what should be acceptable references. There is a custom Google search engine linked there that searches the listed sites. This could help you find reliable sources. You should check WP:VG/RS for a list of vetted sources for use with video games. The lack of any reliable secondary sources will make it difficult to include this content. Any content from a primary source must be carefully presented to avoid any original research.

The only two that can be treated as reliable are the two primary sources from the L4D product blog. This is because they are forums, wikis or user groups, which have no reliability.

ZeroShadows ( talk) 22:12, 26 January 2016 (UTC) Of the 13 of references you have used, 11 are unreliable. Here's what I've been trying to incorporate the below section.

#Left 4 dead 2 forum Pc#

Can we discuss this please? I believe this is an important facet of the game on the PC and is what keeps the game alive today. As of now, I've added even more, directly from Valve's developer and l4d.com websites.

My additions have been reverted despite adding more citations.

2 Competitive Community and TournamentsД¬ompetitive Community inclusion discussion ДЄdrianGamer and Ferret, I've been attempting to include information about the competitive community and the role of the game in e-sports.

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